i do believe that wayne lapierre bears a responsibility for the massacre culture. can you elaborate on that. >> absolutely. the whole idea of the nra 20 years ago when they were making their big turn to the right--i'm sorry i'm old, it's more like 30 years ago, it's about stopping crime. all of these--the idea of the vigilante, the dirty harry type, none of these people who are out there shooting up these schools you know, none of these people are the classic nra villain types. they don't have a robbed. it's the opposite, people on delusional revenge fantasy precisely what you see in nra culture. >> john: thomas frankcal almostist for harper's magazine. thank you so much for your time and insight tonight. >> absolutely. >> john: what is america talking about? political families and our non-political oscars, more coming up. save them. woolite everyday cleans your jeans and won't torture your tanks. woolite washed clothes look like new, longer. the bar harbor bake is really worth trying. [ male announcer ] get more during red lobster's lobsterfest. with the year's la